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	<title>What in the hell ... Comments</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/09/is-right-and-wrong-with-autonomist-marxism/#comment-3667</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>oh, Chuckie and Todd, you both have more German than me... I found this - http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/id-verlag/BuchTexte/FeuerUndFlamme/FeuerFlamme.html

due to some conversations about what matters (or doesn't) about autonomist marxism, I've been skimming a google translated version, it's interesting stuff. i think there's a similar book online in French about french movements someplace, I remember finding it but don't recall where, likewise there's some stuff from Spain. the history of the diffusion of the Italian stuff is super interesting, I'd like to know more about all that, and would really, really like to know how much (if any) discussion outside Italy of the Italian new left shaped stuff in Italy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>oh, Chuckie and Todd, you both have more German than me&#8230; I found this - <a href='http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/id-verlag/BuchTexte/FeuerUndFlamme/FeuerFlamme.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/id-verlag/BuchTexte/FeuerUndFlamme/FeuerFlamme.html</a></p>
	<p>due to some conversations about what matters (or doesn&#8217;t) about autonomist marxism, I&#8217;ve been skimming a google translated version, it&#8217;s interesting stuff. i think there&#8217;s a similar book online in French about french movements someplace, I remember finding it but don&#8217;t recall where, likewise there&#8217;s some stuff from Spain. the history of the diffusion of the Italian stuff is super interesting, I&#8217;d like to know more about all that, and would really, really like to know how much (if any) discussion outside Italy of the Italian new left shaped stuff in Italy&#8230;
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/09/is-right-and-wrong-with-autonomist-marxism/#comment-3665</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/09/is-right-and-wrong-with-autonomist-marxism/#comment-3665</guid>
					<description>hi Chuckie,

Always nice to hear from you. That's a mighty fine nutshell, though I'd probably want to squeeze many more minuses under it. 

Re: that Lynd book, I've been meaning to read it for years, I own it and have had it recommended many times and have gotten a lot of out what I've read by Lynd and heard him say in public talks... Interesting point about the irony in the title!

take care,
Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hi Chuckie,</p>
	<p>Always nice to hear from you. That&#8217;s a mighty fine nutshell, though I&#8217;d probably want to squeeze many more minuses under it. </p>
	<p>Re: that Lynd book, I&#8217;ve been meaning to read it for years, I own it and have had it recommended many times and have gotten a lot of out what I&#8217;ve read by Lynd and heard him say in public talks&#8230; Interesting point about the irony in the title!</p>
	<p>take care,<br />
Nate
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		<title>by: Chuckie K</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/09/is-right-and-wrong-with-autonomist-marxism/#comment-3664</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/09/is-right-and-wrong-with-autonomist-marxism/#comment-3664</guid>
					<description>Nutshell: + class struggle in every process/relationship in capitalism; - excluding contradictions within the ruling class/capitals as a driving force

The rejection of organization? Take a look at the articles in We are All Leaders, edited by Staughton Lynd, which, contrary to its title, provides stories of the importance for the mass union movement in the 30s of leadership by activists with organizational experience, syndicalist and communist, during previous upsurges.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nutshell: + class struggle in every process/relationship in capitalism; - excluding contradictions within the ruling class/capitals as a driving force</p>
	<p>The rejection of organization? Take a look at the articles in We are All Leaders, edited by Staughton Lynd, which, contrary to its title, provides stories of the importance for the mass union movement in the 30s of leadership by activists with organizational experience, syndicalist and communist, during previous upsurges.
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/12/is-a-good-second-beer/#comment-3663</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/12/is-a-good-second-beer/#comment-3663</guid>
					<description>hi Brendan,
If you want to school me on beer that'd amazing. I've been thinking about getting into homebrewing for a while (actually, I'm even more excited about homebrewing rootbeer and cola!), but I've been intimidated by it. So yeah, let's talk. 
Porter's real nice, that's one of the beer types I've had and am pretty sure I like.
take care,
Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hi Brendan,<br />
If you want to school me on beer that&#8217;d amazing. I&#8217;ve been thinking about getting into homebrewing for a while (actually, I&#8217;m even more excited about homebrewing rootbeer and cola!), but I&#8217;ve been intimidated by it. So yeah, let&#8217;s talk.<br />
Porter&#8217;s real nice, that&#8217;s one of the beer types I&#8217;ve had and am pretty sure I like.<br />
take care,<br />
Nate
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		<title>by: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/12/is-a-good-second-beer/#comment-3662</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/12/is-a-good-second-beer/#comment-3662</guid>
					<description>Nate! Let's talk about beer sometime! I just brewed by first porter tonight and I'm excited about beer stuff. (Gimme three days to finish college, then yeah!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nate! Let&#8217;s talk about beer sometime! I just brewed by first porter tonight and I&#8217;m excited about beer stuff. (Gimme three days to finish college, then yeah!)
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/12/is-actually-happening-in-the-spread-of-the-student-occupations/#comment-3661</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/12/is-actually-happening-in-the-spread-of-the-student-occupations/#comment-3661</guid>
					<description>hi Jasper,

Nice to hear from you. unfortunately I can't make it to HistoMat, I've had to cancel. You're just gonna have to trek to Minnesota... ;) Just kidding, I wouldn't wish our weather this time of year on anyone but people I really dislike. 

re: the occupations, you sort of confirm my hunch. My bet was that this has basically spread in an at most partially planned manner through at most partially open social networks. That's not a criticism. I've got no agenda with regard to what should and shouldn't happen in California and the work that people there should or shouldn't do. The reason I started asking these questions (partly to myself, really nice to get your answers though) is for the rest of us who are far away, about ways we could try to spread awareness of this stuff. For various reasons I'm not really plugged into (what I bet are) circles analogous to the California ones that this stuff is emerging from/circulating in, so I don't know how much word of all this is traveling. A fair bit, I'd imagine, but I also imagine that it's still traveling mainly in the same sort of circles. So what I'm really fumbling for here is -- would it make sense for people not currently in these networks to start working on ways to spread the word among other people not currently in these networks? I think so, but I'm not sure, and more than that I'm not sure what this would look like concretely or how to carry out systematically. Maybe I'm over thinking it -- I'd previously discussed with some comrades trying bang together a leaflet and some folks to hand it out, that's not happened yet.

take care,
Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hi Jasper,</p>
	<p>Nice to hear from you. unfortunately I can&#8217;t make it to HistoMat, I&#8217;ve had to cancel. You&#8217;re just gonna have to trek to Minnesota&#8230; <img src='http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Just kidding, I wouldn&#8217;t wish our weather this time of year on anyone but people I really dislike. </p>
	<p>re: the occupations, you sort of confirm my hunch. My bet was that this has basically spread in an at most partially planned manner through at most partially open social networks. That&#8217;s not a criticism. I&#8217;ve got no agenda with regard to what should and shouldn&#8217;t happen in California and the work that people there should or shouldn&#8217;t do. The reason I started asking these questions (partly to myself, really nice to get your answers though) is for the rest of us who are far away, about ways we could try to spread awareness of this stuff. For various reasons I&#8217;m not really plugged into (what I bet are) circles analogous to the California ones that this stuff is emerging from/circulating in, so I don&#8217;t know how much word of all this is traveling. A fair bit, I&#8217;d imagine, but I also imagine that it&#8217;s still traveling mainly in the same sort of circles. So what I&#8217;m really fumbling for here is &#8212; would it make sense for people not currently in these networks to start working on ways to spread the word among other people not currently in these networks? I think so, but I&#8217;m not sure, and more than that I&#8217;m not sure what this would look like concretely or how to carry out systematically. Maybe I&#8217;m over thinking it &#8212; I&#8217;d previously discussed with some comrades trying bang together a leaflet and some folks to hand it out, that&#8217;s not happened yet.</p>
	<p>take care,<br />
Nate
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		<title>by: Jasper</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/12/is-actually-happening-in-the-spread-of-the-student-occupations/#comment-3660</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/12/is-actually-happening-in-the-spread-of-the-student-occupations/#comment-3660</guid>
					<description>Hey Nate, 

It's a little bit of both -- partly it's the inspiration model, and partly it's about actual relationships. People from lots of the different schools know each other and have gotten to know each other through these actions. And since some of the radical circles through which this stuff passes are really small, there's usually only one degree of separation. 

As for the last question, whereas some of the earlier actions were planned somewhat secretively -- for fear of police shutdowns, etc. -- and involved small groups with high degrees of trust/familiarity, more recently  there's been an attempt to create more &quot;open,&quot; inclusive occupations where new people might participate (unfortunately, the police just raided 66 people at one of these at Berkeley -- so we're not powerful enough yet to hold one of these spaces open merely by numbers). And there's been an intent to plan some of the stuff in the open, for instance, or in larger organizations, at both SC and Berkeley. So yes, new people are getting involved. 

As for reading material, the &quot;comrades&quot; sidebar at occupyca.wordpress.com is a pretty good place to go to get started. 

I see you're going to be at Hist. Materialism in New York. It'll be good to finally get the chance to meet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey Nate, </p>
	<p>It&#8217;s a little bit of both &#8212; partly it&#8217;s the inspiration model, and partly it&#8217;s about actual relationships. People from lots of the different schools know each other and have gotten to know each other through these actions. And since some of the radical circles through which this stuff passes are really small, there&#8217;s usually only one degree of separation. </p>
	<p>As for the last question, whereas some of the earlier actions were planned somewhat secretively &#8212; for fear of police shutdowns, etc. &#8212; and involved small groups with high degrees of trust/familiarity, more recently  there&#8217;s been an attempt to create more &#8220;open,&#8221; inclusive occupations where new people might participate (unfortunately, the police just raided 66 people at one of these at Berkeley &#8212; so we&#8217;re not powerful enough yet to hold one of these spaces open merely by numbers). And there&#8217;s been an intent to plan some of the stuff in the open, for instance, or in larger organizations, at both SC and Berkeley. So yes, new people are getting involved. </p>
	<p>As for reading material, the &#8220;comrades&#8221; sidebar at occupyca.wordpress.com is a pretty good place to go to get started. </p>
	<p>I see you&#8217;re going to be at Hist. Materialism in New York. It&#8217;ll be good to finally get the chance to meet!
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		<title>by: Get Info Here</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/10/season-tis/#comment-3657</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>yeah.. too much hot here. 40 deg F. hotta, hotta!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>yeah.. too much hot here. 40 deg F. hotta, hotta!
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		<title>by: dves</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2009/12/10/season-tis/#comment-3656</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>wow! i never experienced that place. never been there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>wow! i never experienced that place. never been there.
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/is-the-best-lightbulb-joke/#comment-3654</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/is-the-best-lightbulb-joke/#comment-3654</guid>
					<description>I like that anarchist one. How's this - 
how many revolutionaries does it take to change a lightbulb?
We will not be misdirected into incremental reforms!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I like that anarchist one. How&#8217;s this -<br />
how many revolutionaries does it take to change a lightbulb?<br />
We will not be misdirected into incremental reforms!
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