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	<title>Comments on: &#8230; does Negri think about Obama&#8217;s election?</title>
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		<title>by: Yusef</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2008/11/28/does-negri-think-about-obamas-election/#comment-2982</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;What I can’t tell is to what degree, if any, Negri is saying the Obama election was a gain. Is that clearer?&quot;

My reading of Negri: 1)The novelty of Obama’s election is not in doubt;2) The power imparted by this novelty is in doubt;3) The power imparted by the novelty will be evaluated by the way Obama deals with the economic crisis and peace; 4) “The direction which Obama will take in solving these two big problems will make us understand to what extent we are not finding ourselves in front of a umpteenth media spectacle but in front of a real historical and epochal transformation.” 5) By saying we may be merely “finding ourselves in front of a umpteenth media spectacle” indicates to me Negri considers a possibility that the Obama election was no gain at all—that the power imparted by the novelty of his victory may turn out to be zero.6) My opinion is that whether Obama is a dud or not will be determined by how effectively he can be pushed by the masses. How the hell the masses can find a way to effectively push Obama is the only serious question for me, and for insights into how, the only reason for reading Negri. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;What I can’t tell is to what degree, if any, Negri is saying the Obama election was a gain. Is that clearer?&#8221;</p>
	<p>My reading of Negri: 1)The novelty of Obama’s election is not in doubt;2) The power imparted by this novelty is in doubt;3) The power imparted by the novelty will be evaluated by the way Obama deals with the economic crisis and peace; 4) “The direction which Obama will take in solving these two big problems will make us understand to what extent we are not finding ourselves in front of a umpteenth media spectacle but in front of a real historical and epochal transformation.” 5) By saying we may be merely “finding ourselves in front of a umpteenth media spectacle” indicates to me Negri considers a possibility that the Obama election was no gain at all—that the power imparted by the novelty of his victory may turn out to be zero.6) My opinion is that whether Obama is a dud or not will be determined by how effectively he can be pushed by the masses. How the hell the masses can find a way to effectively push Obama is the only serious question for me, and for insights into how, the only reason for reading Negri.
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		<title>by: Yusef</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2008/11/28/does-negri-think-about-obamas-election/#comment-2981</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What I can’t tell is to what degree, if any, Negri is saying the Obama election was a gain. Is that clearer?

My reading of Negri: 1)The novelty of Obama’s election is not in doubt;2) The power imparted by this novelty is in doubt;3) The power imparted by the novelty will be evaluated by the way Obama deals with the economic crisis and peace; 4) “The direction which Obama will take in solving these two big problems will make us understand to what extent we are not finding ourselves in front of a umpteenth media spectacle but in front of a real historical and epochal transformation.” 5) By saying we may be merely “finding ourselves in front of a umpteenth media spectacle” indicates to me Negri considers a possibility that the Obama election was no gain at all—that the power imparted by the novelty of his victory may turn out to be zero.6) My opinion is that whether Obama is a dud or not will be determined by how effectively he can be pushed by the masses. How the hell the masses can find a way to effectively push Obama is the only serious question for me, and for insights into how, the only reason for reading Negri. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What I can’t tell is to what degree, if any, Negri is saying the Obama election was a gain. Is that clearer?</p>
	<p>My reading of Negri: 1)The novelty of Obama’s election is not in doubt;2) The power imparted by this novelty is in doubt;3) The power imparted by the novelty will be evaluated by the way Obama deals with the economic crisis and peace; 4) “The direction which Obama will take in solving these two big problems will make us understand to what extent we are not finding ourselves in front of a umpteenth media spectacle but in front of a real historical and epochal transformation.” 5) By saying we may be merely “finding ourselves in front of a umpteenth media spectacle” indicates to me Negri considers a possibility that the Obama election was no gain at all—that the power imparted by the novelty of his victory may turn out to be zero.6) My opinion is that whether Obama is a dud or not will be determined by how effectively he can be pushed by the masses. How the hell the masses can find a way to effectively push Obama is the only serious question for me, and for insights into how, the only reason for reading Negri.
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2008/11/28/does-negri-think-about-obamas-election/#comment-2975</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Yusef,
Perhaps I should have said byproduct or effect. What I mean is, and I'm sure Negri would agree, is that the election of an African American to the presidency of the US was made possible by a long history of struggles by social movements. I'm convinced, and I know Negri and some points earlier in his career would have agreed and I think would agree now, that something being made possible by struggles does not make that thing into a positive change, in the sense of a gain for the working class. What I can't tell is to what degree, if any, Negri is saying the Obama election was a gain. Is that clearer? 
I agree with you 100% about change being possible under capitalism and about change being managed. Not all changes are gains, and there are definitely gains possible under capitalism. 
take care,
Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Yusef,<br />
Perhaps I should have said byproduct or effect. What I mean is, and I&#8217;m sure Negri would agree, is that the election of an African American to the presidency of the US was made possible by a long history of struggles by social movements. I&#8217;m convinced, and I know Negri and some points earlier in his career would have agreed and I think would agree now, that something being made possible by struggles does not make that thing into a positive change, in the sense of a gain for the working class. What I can&#8217;t tell is to what degree, if any, Negri is saying the Obama election was a gain. Is that clearer?<br />
I agree with you 100% about change being possible under capitalism and about change being managed. Not all changes are gains, and there are definitely gains possible under capitalism.<br />
take care,<br />
Nate
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		<title>by: Yusef</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2008/11/28/does-negri-think-about-obamas-election/#comment-2972</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;First off, I think Obama’s election is a product of struggles, but I don’t like the language ‘expression’ of struggle, if that’s meant to imply that Obama’s election represents the interests of these struggles.&quot;

I read this sentence several times, with puzzlement. As far as I can tell, you and Negri are in agreement--your use of words is what's misleading.  My opinion is that for Negri the words expression and productive, or &quot;product&quot;, are  important technically. I don't think he would use productive or product with regard to the election of Obama until we see how Obama actually deals with the financial and international(peace-war) crises. In using the word expression instead of production, I think Negri is honoring the symbolic victory of a &quot;dirty nigger&quot; becoming President, without commiting himself to believing Obama will usher in revolutionary changes, or even anything new. I think the distinction is important, and it has been bothering me. I also want to honor the symbolic importance of Obama's victory, but without mistaking it for a revolutionary change in itself. There's some difficulty here I can't put my finger on. Your point about Obama's victory leading to the denial of structural racism was helpful. If I recall correctly, we differ on the nature of change. I think capitalism allows change, but it is  managed change. The very existence of change itself is not necessarily productive.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;First off, I think Obama’s election is a product of struggles, but I don’t like the language ‘expression’ of struggle, if that’s meant to imply that Obama’s election represents the interests of these struggles.&#8221;</p>
	<p>I read this sentence several times, with puzzlement. As far as I can tell, you and Negri are in agreement&#8211;your use of words is what&#8217;s misleading.  My opinion is that for Negri the words expression and productive, or &#8220;product&#8221;, are  important technically. I don&#8217;t think he would use productive or product with regard to the election of Obama until we see how Obama actually deals with the financial and international(peace-war) crises. In using the word expression instead of production, I think Negri is honoring the symbolic victory of a &#8220;dirty nigger&#8221; becoming President, without commiting himself to believing Obama will usher in revolutionary changes, or even anything new. I think the distinction is important, and it has been bothering me. I also want to honor the symbolic importance of Obama&#8217;s victory, but without mistaking it for a revolutionary change in itself. There&#8217;s some difficulty here I can&#8217;t put my finger on. Your point about Obama&#8217;s victory leading to the denial of structural racism was helpful. If I recall correctly, we differ on the nature of change. I think capitalism allows change, but it is  managed change. The very existence of change itself is not necessarily productive.
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