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	<title>Comments on: &#8230; is edu-factory?</title>
	<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2007/02/23/is-edu-factory/</link>
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		<title>by: Brett</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2007/02/23/is-edu-factory/#comment-1229</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks Nate,

Sure, when you're ready. We might end up organizing responses to the scheduled posts, depending on whether and how discussion unfolds. I guess it will take a while to happen as people will be guessing as to whether the list is for discussion or dissemination.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks Nate,</p>
	<p>Sure, when you&#8217;re ready. We might end up organizing responses to the scheduled posts, depending on whether and how discussion unfolds. I guess it will take a while to happen as people will be guessing as to whether the list is for discussion or dissemination.</p>
	<p>B.
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2007/02/23/is-edu-factory/#comment-1228</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2007/02/23/is-edu-factory/#comment-1228</guid>
					<description>hi Brett,

Thanks for that. Productive ambivalences, certainly. I like the manifesto form, its forceful character provides additional material for the dialectical mill. Like I said, I'm very excited about the project. 

I'm not going to post to the list just yet, I'm snowed under with work (and as of today, with snow as well). I still haven't had time to read Franco and Mark's articles, I want to do that first - and have some time to collect my thoughts more than in a blog post - but I do plan to be active in discussion. I really like the scheduled contributions idea, because yes, the last thing anyone needs is another typical email list meltdown. 

take care,
Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hi Brett,</p>
	<p>Thanks for that. Productive ambivalences, certainly. I like the manifesto form, its forceful character provides additional material for the dialectical mill. Like I said, I&#8217;m very excited about the project. </p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not going to post to the list just yet, I&#8217;m snowed under with work (and as of today, with snow as well). I still haven&#8217;t had time to read Franco and Mark&#8217;s articles, I want to do that first - and have some time to collect my thoughts more than in a blog post - but I do plan to be active in discussion. I really like the scheduled contributions idea, because yes, the last thing anyone needs is another typical email list meltdown. </p>
	<p>take care,<br />
Nate
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		<title>by: Brett</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2007/02/23/is-edu-factory/#comment-1227</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The ambivalences are certainly there and are meant to be there. We debated the issue of the 'paradigmatic site' quite a bit, but decided that those indefinite articles would indicate that the claim is not exclusive.

One of the lines of thought running through the part about the blur was a kind of becoming-university of society (or of the metropolis as they say here in Rome) ... but metropolis didn't translate through without carrying all the imperial connotations.

So apart from the multiple authorship, there is also a constant translation going on, which generates uncertainty. At the same time, the aim is to provoke, thus the certainty of a manifesto (always easier to read than write).

The list is meant to be for discussion, so if you want to jump in with comments along these lines it would be vastly appreciated. The idea of the scheduled contributions and  defined time-line is to try to avoid the pitfalls of list culture, which is kind of over (we're all on too many, we've all seen the meltdowns).

The most difficult and interesting part of the project, I think, is the global aspect, which has been quite difficult   to coordinate - looking for contributions from China, for instance, or from Africa apart from South Africa. It's going to be very hard to avoid a North Atlantic slant, which maybe says something about the geopolitics of those claims about the factory. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The ambivalences are certainly there and are meant to be there. We debated the issue of the &#8216;paradigmatic site&#8217; quite a bit, but decided that those indefinite articles would indicate that the claim is not exclusive.</p>
	<p>One of the lines of thought running through the part about the blur was a kind of becoming-university of society (or of the metropolis as they say here in Rome) &#8230; but metropolis didn&#8217;t translate through without carrying all the imperial connotations.</p>
	<p>So apart from the multiple authorship, there is also a constant translation going on, which generates uncertainty. At the same time, the aim is to provoke, thus the certainty of a manifesto (always easier to read than write).</p>
	<p>The list is meant to be for discussion, so if you want to jump in with comments along these lines it would be vastly appreciated. The idea of the scheduled contributions and  defined time-line is to try to avoid the pitfalls of list culture, which is kind of over (we&#8217;re all on too many, we&#8217;ve all seen the meltdowns).</p>
	<p>The most difficult and interesting part of the project, I think, is the global aspect, which has been quite difficult   to coordinate - looking for contributions from China, for instance, or from Africa apart from South Africa. It&#8217;s going to be very hard to avoid a North Atlantic slant, which maybe says something about the geopolitics of those claims about the factory.
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2007/02/23/is-edu-factory/#comment-1222</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2007/02/23/is-edu-factory/#comment-1222</guid>
					<description>An another email list I'm on, on labor history etc, a different version of the call to join up went out than the one I saw. This one refers to &quot;[t]he ambivalence of oppositional knowledges as challenges to institutional power and as processes of domestication&quot;, the latter of the two  interpretations of that line, which is excellent. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>An another email list I&#8217;m on, on labor history etc, a different version of the call to join up went out than the one I saw. This one refers to &#8220;[t]he ambivalence of oppositional knowledges as challenges to institutional power and as processes of domestication&#8221;, the latter of the two  interpretations of that line, which is excellent.
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		<title>by: s0metim3s</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2007/02/23/is-edu-factory/#comment-1219</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2007/02/23/is-edu-factory/#comment-1219</guid>
					<description>Well, it's an email list, yes?  Slow to get moving, but an email list nevertheless.  And there may well be &quot;ambivalences&quot; because it was written by more than one person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, it&#8217;s an email list, yes?  Slow to get moving, but an email list nevertheless.  And there may well be &#8220;ambivalences&#8221; because it was written by more than one person.
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