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		<title>by: Keith</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/12/20/is-a-set/#comment-214</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey Nate -
I thought Wikipedia had a pretty decent run-down of what an &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;axiom&lt;/a&gt; was, as well as the same for &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiomatic_set_theory&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;axiomatic set theory&lt;/a&gt; (Badiou himself uses ZFC).  They are asserted because required, I believe.  Something like Zermelo's &quot;axiom of choice&quot; was used and rejected, used, suggested, and used again before it had ever actually been coined by Zermelo.  I went to Amazon for the Paul book, which should be at my doorstep by Wed.
- Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey Nate -<br />
I thought Wikipedia had a pretty decent run-down of what an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom" rel="nofollow">axiom</a> was, as well as the same for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiomatic_set_theory" rel="nofollow">axiomatic set theory</a> (Badiou himself uses ZFC).  They are asserted because required, I believe.  Something like Zermelo&#8217;s &#8220;axiom of choice&#8221; was used and rejected, used, suggested, and used again before it had ever actually been coined by Zermelo.  I went to Amazon for the Paul book, which should be at my doorstep by Wed.<br />
- Keith
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/12/20/is-a-set/#comment-213</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2005 05:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>hi Keith, 
I miss-spoke, I didn't mean to say there's an incompatibility b/w universality and multiplicity, just that it's easy to assume there is. I don't know enough about all of it to really say. I do find it interesting that there's a demand on universality in some folks - Badiou and Ranciere - as opposed to an anti-universalism, in the name of left politics. 
The stuff on axioms is interesting. Can there be any procedure for determining/producing axioms? Axioms are outside the procedure/sets (sorry if I'm using the terms wrong) they make found/possible. What founds/makes possible axioms? Or are they simply asserted because required? If so, I quite like that - I'm all about tautologies and assertions (much better than infinite regresses). Theoretical Writings is on my list to dive into in the next few weeks, perhaps I'll have more to say then. 
take care,
Nate


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hi Keith,<br />
I miss-spoke, I didn&#8217;t mean to say there&#8217;s an incompatibility b/w universality and multiplicity, just that it&#8217;s easy to assume there is. I don&#8217;t know enough about all of it to really say. I do find it interesting that there&#8217;s a demand on universality in some folks - Badiou and Ranciere - as opposed to an anti-universalism, in the name of left politics.<br />
The stuff on axioms is interesting. Can there be any procedure for determining/producing axioms? Axioms are outside the procedure/sets (sorry if I&#8217;m using the terms wrong) they make found/possible. What founds/makes possible axioms? Or are they simply asserted because required? If so, I quite like that - I&#8217;m all about tautologies and assertions (much better than infinite regresses). Theoretical Writings is on my list to dive into in the next few weeks, perhaps I&#8217;ll have more to say then.<br />
take care,<br />
Nate
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		<title>by: Keith</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/12/20/is-a-set/#comment-212</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2005 04:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nate -
I was likewise intrigued by Badiou's insistence on both multiplicity and universality, though I never really considered the terms antithetical.  For Badiou, every situation - that is, every multiplicity - is infinite (and he considers this an axiomatic decision)and is therefore, without recourse to the Whole or the One, 'universal' in some sense.  The math=ontology for some reason always just made sense to me and I wasn't going to dispute it for any reason.  Ontology is the study of what extists, and mathematics is also the study of existence (albeit the existence of number).  So, to be a materialist at the same time as a mathematician means what? There are several essays on this in &lt;em&gt;Theoretical Writings&lt;/em&gt;.  

As far as the &quot;restricted action&quot;, I am not aware of this particular phrase coming up in anything that I have read, though it is very possible that I passed over it without noticing.  It does make sense if one were to think about it in relation to Badiou's &quot;truth procedure&quot;, or his version of a 'militant engagement'.  Every event, in order to be revealed (though nothing is really 'revealed') in a situation required the fidelity of a subject, and likewise the careful, calculated, bit-by-bit piecing together of the consequences of a truth.  I would understand that to be a sort of &quot;restricted action&quot;, since, as such, it would not be &lt;em&gt;reactionary&lt;/em&gt;.  It is also important to note that 'situation' has a very different meaning for Badiou than it would for say, the Situationist.
Happy Holidays as well,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nate -<br />
I was likewise intrigued by Badiou&#8217;s insistence on both multiplicity and universality, though I never really considered the terms antithetical.  For Badiou, every situation - that is, every multiplicity - is infinite (and he considers this an axiomatic decision)and is therefore, without recourse to the Whole or the One, &#8216;universal&#8217; in some sense.  The math=ontology for some reason always just made sense to me and I wasn&#8217;t going to dispute it for any reason.  Ontology is the study of what extists, and mathematics is also the study of existence (albeit the existence of number).  So, to be a materialist at the same time as a mathematician means what? There are several essays on this in <em>Theoretical Writings</em>.  </p>
	<p>As far as the &#8220;restricted action&#8221;, I am not aware of this particular phrase coming up in anything that I have read, though it is very possible that I passed over it without noticing.  It does make sense if one were to think about it in relation to Badiou&#8217;s &#8220;truth procedure&#8221;, or his version of a &#8216;militant engagement&#8217;.  Every event, in order to be revealed (though nothing is really &#8216;revealed&#8217;) in a situation required the fidelity of a subject, and likewise the careful, calculated, bit-by-bit piecing together of the consequences of a truth.  I would understand that to be a sort of &#8220;restricted action&#8221;, since, as such, it would not be <em>reactionary</em>.  It is also important to note that &#8217;situation&#8217; has a very different meaning for Badiou than it would for say, the Situationist.<br />
Happy Holidays as well,<br />
Keith
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/12/20/is-a-set/#comment-211</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2005 23:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>hi Keith, 
Thanks for this. I'll check out the stuff you recommend. I also plan to take some notes on the next few chapters of Infinite Thought, which I've been reading in the interstices of holiday family commitments. Said commitments mean I've got less time available for the next few days, but will get back to this when I can. All of this is quite interesting, though I don't understand a lot of it and don't know what to do with a lot of it. Generally, I find it quite interesting that Badiou insists on multiplicity, and yet also on universality. These are often held to be incompatible in many encounters I've had with them. I don't know, though. I also don't get the point about math and ontology. To my mind, the turn to ontology in some (Deleuze, who I don't really know, and Negri, who I do) is in tension with the multiplicity claims, as they seem to posit a preferred vocabulary while trying to affirm multiplicity. That strikes me as a bit odd, and I'm trying to figure out if Badiou's doing the same w/ his maths stuff. We shall see. In any case, I like the style he writes in, from what I've seen of it thus far. None of the &quot;it both is and not-is, it is its own self-negating unfolding&quot; kind of thing. Very clear presentation, though certainly not easy going. 

One question: In a bit of Infinite Thought I read today there's a reference to Mallarme and the phrase &quot;restrained action&quot;. This same phrase appears in a text that I really love, the manifesto of the Malgre Tout collective, a Franco-Argentine group connected with someone named Miguel Benasayag. Friends of mine translated it and are trying to find a home for it, they translate this phrase as &quot;restricted action&quot;, I'm going to write them to say perhaps &quot;restrained&quot; is a better phrasing. Anyway, does Badiou use this term elsewhere? The term 'situation' also occurs in a number of excellent contemporary Argentine left-theory works, that's one of the main reasons I've started reading Badiou (that and some other friends of mine). 
happy holidays,
Nate


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hi Keith,<br />
Thanks for this. I&#8217;ll check out the stuff you recommend. I also plan to take some notes on the next few chapters of Infinite Thought, which I&#8217;ve been reading in the interstices of holiday family commitments. Said commitments mean I&#8217;ve got less time available for the next few days, but will get back to this when I can. All of this is quite interesting, though I don&#8217;t understand a lot of it and don&#8217;t know what to do with a lot of it. Generally, I find it quite interesting that Badiou insists on multiplicity, and yet also on universality. These are often held to be incompatible in many encounters I&#8217;ve had with them. I don&#8217;t know, though. I also don&#8217;t get the point about math and ontology. To my mind, the turn to ontology in some (Deleuze, who I don&#8217;t really know, and Negri, who I do) is in tension with the multiplicity claims, as they seem to posit a preferred vocabulary while trying to affirm multiplicity. That strikes me as a bit odd, and I&#8217;m trying to figure out if Badiou&#8217;s doing the same w/ his maths stuff. We shall see. In any case, I like the style he writes in, from what I&#8217;ve seen of it thus far. None of the &#8220;it both is and not-is, it is its own self-negating unfolding&#8221; kind of thing. Very clear presentation, though certainly not easy going. </p>
	<p>One question: In a bit of Infinite Thought I read today there&#8217;s a reference to Mallarme and the phrase &#8220;restrained action&#8221;. This same phrase appears in a text that I really love, the manifesto of the Malgre Tout collective, a Franco-Argentine group connected with someone named Miguel Benasayag. Friends of mine translated it and are trying to find a home for it, they translate this phrase as &#8220;restricted action&#8221;, I&#8217;m going to write them to say perhaps &#8220;restrained&#8221; is a better phrasing. Anyway, does Badiou use this term elsewhere? The term &#8217;situation&#8217; also occurs in a number of excellent contemporary Argentine left-theory works, that&#8217;s one of the main reasons I&#8217;ve started reading Badiou (that and some other friends of mine).<br />
happy holidays,<br />
Nate
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		<title>by: Keith</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/12/20/is-a-set/#comment-210</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nate: &lt;em&gt;is Badiou just into math, or is he trying to convince me I ought to be?&lt;/em&gt;

A little of both, actually.  Somewhere in &lt;em&gt;Theoretical Writings&lt;/em&gt; he says that all philosophers should stop what they are doing to become mathematicians – though I am sure he doesn’t say this without a bit of a grin and some silent laughter.  I am still working with most of this myself , often forgetting, often misreading, but will hazard some input.  

You can go to &lt;a href=&quot;“http://blog.urbanomic.com/num/”&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;irrational numbers&lt;/a&gt; to find pdf’s of Badiou’s &lt;em&gt;Number and Numbers&lt;/em&gt; ,where he goes through his own genealogy of set theory, and a transcription of a recent talk given at Birkbeck, where he discusses some of the political importance for applications of Cohen’s &lt;em&gt;generic sets&lt;/em&gt;.  You are right to point out his use of set theory in the context of his polemic with Deleuze – which is also part of the reason for his insistence that mathematics is an ontology (or rather, simply just &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; ontology).  Badiou considers it a task of any modern philosophy to engage in a thought of multiplicity, which is precisely what Deleuze set out to do.  However, Deleuze was to mistake sets as always being &lt;em&gt;numerical&lt;/em&gt;, which they are not.  Badiou’s own ‘taste’, I suppose, led him via set theory, to reject any form of ‘vitalist’ philosophy or the empirical givenness of sets.  It is also in line with his desire to take philosophy and ontology away from ‘approximations’, ‘post-modernism’, and what he terms ‘idealinguistry’.  Multiplicity happens to be the &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; thing that set theory is able to ‘write’ (and there are here some dense Lacanian references for Badiou that at present I do not adequately understand).  Set theory therefore deals with being as pure multiplicity, as the question it always answers but never asks.  The following I have taken from a letter to Dedekind written by Cantor that appears in &lt;em&gt;From Frege to Godel&lt;/em&gt; - definitely &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; a book to consider as any sort of introduction to set theory and was personally the cause of quite a few headaches:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“If we start from the notion of a definite multiplicity (a system, a totality) of things, it is necessary, as I discovered, to distinguish two kinds of multiplicities (by this I always mean &lt;em&gt;definite&lt;/em&gt; multiplicities).

For a multiplicity can be such that the assumption that &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; of its elements “are together” leads to a contradiction, so that it is impossible to conceive of the multiplicity as a unity, as “one finished thing”.  Such multiplicities I call &lt;em&gt;absolutely infinite&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;inconsistent multiplicities&lt;/em&gt;.

As we can readily see, the “totality of everything thinkable”, for example, is such a multiplicity; […]

If on the other hand the totality of the elements of a multiplicity can be thought of without contradiction as “being together”, so that they can be gathered together into “&lt;em&gt;one&lt;/em&gt; thing”, I call it a &lt;em&gt;consistent multiplicity&lt;/em&gt; or a “set”.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is also something crucial missing from your post relating to Badiou’s use of set theory  that has to do with how he conceptualizes (and insits on the reality of) truth(s).  I don’t want to take up too much space with this so I’ll just skip through some things.  The null set (zero, the void, nothingness) is &lt;em&gt;universally&lt;/em&gt; included in every set, such that the number three would be written: (0,(0), (0,(0))).  Zero and the infinite - neither of which are deducible and remain &lt;em&gt;axiomatic decisions&lt;/em&gt; - are synonymous here (at least, that is, in the sense of  their having neither inside nor outside). A truth, or event (which does require a subject), reveals that which is the void or infinity of every situation – as that which ‘departs from the set’ thus rendering it ‘momentarily’ inconsitent.  It’s that ‘something which was not previously counted in a situation comes to be counted’, i.e. named.  I suppose it is something like a ‘potential’ event though Badiou rejects any existence of the virtual.  In set theory there is always an excess of how a set can be represented vs. what it presents, which is an &lt;em&gt;actual&lt;/em&gt; excess.  Badiou always likes to give the example of an amorous encounter: if someone doesn’t notice it, doesn’t name it, then it doesn’t happen and was not an event.  This would not, however, prevent it from existing in the situation, as a possibility I suppose.  If it is named (the ‘I love you’), then the two faithful subjects go about constructing their world via a ‘truth procedure’ which changes the knowledge of the situation, retroactively.  That’s all I can think to write at the moment.  Fortunately, the ever-slow translation of &lt;em&gt;Being and Event&lt;/em&gt; is near publication, and I suspect a lot of these questions will find answers therein.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nate: <em>is Badiou just into math, or is he trying to convince me I ought to be?</em></p>
	<p>A little of both, actually.  Somewhere in <em>Theoretical Writings</em> he says that all philosophers should stop what they are doing to become mathematicians – though I am sure he doesn’t say this without a bit of a grin and some silent laughter.  I am still working with most of this myself , often forgetting, often misreading, but will hazard some input.  </p>
	<p>You can go to <a href="“http://blog.urbanomic.com/num/”" rel="nofollow">irrational numbers</a> to find pdf’s of Badiou’s <em>Number and Numbers</em> ,where he goes through his own genealogy of set theory, and a transcription of a recent talk given at Birkbeck, where he discusses some of the political importance for applications of Cohen’s <em>generic sets</em>.  You are right to point out his use of set theory in the context of his polemic with Deleuze – which is also part of the reason for his insistence that mathematics is an ontology (or rather, simply just <em>is</em> ontology).  Badiou considers it a task of any modern philosophy to engage in a thought of multiplicity, which is precisely what Deleuze set out to do.  However, Deleuze was to mistake sets as always being <em>numerical</em>, which they are not.  Badiou’s own ‘taste’, I suppose, led him via set theory, to reject any form of ‘vitalist’ philosophy or the empirical givenness of sets.  It is also in line with his desire to take philosophy and ontology away from ‘approximations’, ‘post-modernism’, and what he terms ‘idealinguistry’.  Multiplicity happens to be the <em>only</em> thing that set theory is able to ‘write’ (and there are here some dense Lacanian references for Badiou that at present I do not adequately understand).  Set theory therefore deals with being as pure multiplicity, as the question it always answers but never asks.  The following I have taken from a letter to Dedekind written by Cantor that appears in <em>From Frege to Godel</em> - definitely <em>not</em> a book to consider as any sort of introduction to set theory and was personally the cause of quite a few headaches:</p>
	<blockquote><p>“If we start from the notion of a definite multiplicity (a system, a totality) of things, it is necessary, as I discovered, to distinguish two kinds of multiplicities (by this I always mean <em>definite</em> multiplicities).</p>
	<p>For a multiplicity can be such that the assumption that <em>all</em> of its elements “are together” leads to a contradiction, so that it is impossible to conceive of the multiplicity as a unity, as “one finished thing”.  Such multiplicities I call <em>absolutely infinite</em> or <em>inconsistent multiplicities</em>.</p>
	<p>As we can readily see, the “totality of everything thinkable”, for example, is such a multiplicity; […]</p>
	<p>If on the other hand the totality of the elements of a multiplicity can be thought of without contradiction as “being together”, so that they can be gathered together into “<em>one</em> thing”, I call it a <em>consistent multiplicity</em> or a “set”.”</p></blockquote>
	<p>There is also something crucial missing from your post relating to Badiou’s use of set theory  that has to do with how he conceptualizes (and insits on the reality of) truth(s).  I don’t want to take up too much space with this so I’ll just skip through some things.  The null set (zero, the void, nothingness) is <em>universally</em> included in every set, such that the number three would be written: (0,(0), (0,(0))).  Zero and the infinite - neither of which are deducible and remain <em>axiomatic decisions</em> - are synonymous here (at least, that is, in the sense of  their having neither inside nor outside). A truth, or event (which does require a subject), reveals that which is the void or infinity of every situation – as that which ‘departs from the set’ thus rendering it ‘momentarily’ inconsitent.  It’s that ‘something which was not previously counted in a situation comes to be counted’, i.e. named.  I suppose it is something like a ‘potential’ event though Badiou rejects any existence of the virtual.  In set theory there is always an excess of how a set can be represented vs. what it presents, which is an <em>actual</em> excess.  Badiou always likes to give the example of an amorous encounter: if someone doesn’t notice it, doesn’t name it, then it doesn’t happen and was not an event.  This would not, however, prevent it from existing in the situation, as a possibility I suppose.  If it is named (the ‘I love you’), then the two faithful subjects go about constructing their world via a ‘truth procedure’ which changes the knowledge of the situation, retroactively.  That’s all I can think to write at the moment.  Fortunately, the ever-slow translation of <em>Being and Event</em> is near publication, and I suspect a lot of these questions will find answers therein.
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/12/20/is-a-set/#comment-209</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks to both of you. Interesting stuff. I'll check out the stuff you recommend as time permits Tzuchien, and have a think  on all of this. I'm certainly not trying to make any claims in or against set theory, I don't know anything about so I can't do so. My questions reading Badiou are more going to be about the uses of set theory in relation to other stuff. God, it's been so long since I've thought about anything like this... is it Russell, Frege, who... who had the piece on the statement &quot;the present king of France is bald&quot;? Et's reference of &quot;The set of Ayn Rand novels I own&quot; reminded me of that. Thanks for that example, by the way. One thing that's interesting and that I think I like in this is a certain generative capacity - one is free to generate sets (for instance, the set of things that are the same as set of Ayn Rand novels owned by Et is infinite). 
Tzuchien, can you expand on the point about possible worlds? This whole conversation is about stuff I never understood in the first place when I encountered the little bits of it that I've had contact with, and those encounters were several years ago. But it's all really interesting and fun, so thanks for all the info. I'll see what I can figure out about a preview button, but it won't be anytime soon.
take care,
Nate
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks to both of you. Interesting stuff. I&#8217;ll check out the stuff you recommend as time permits Tzuchien, and have a think  on all of this. I&#8217;m certainly not trying to make any claims in or against set theory, I don&#8217;t know anything about so I can&#8217;t do so. My questions reading Badiou are more going to be about the uses of set theory in relation to other stuff. God, it&#8217;s been so long since I&#8217;ve thought about anything like this&#8230; is it Russell, Frege, who&#8230; who had the piece on the statement &#8220;the present king of France is bald&#8221;? Et&#8217;s reference of &#8220;The set of Ayn Rand novels I own&#8221; reminded me of that. Thanks for that example, by the way. One thing that&#8217;s interesting and that I think I like in this is a certain generative capacity - one is free to generate sets (for instance, the set of things that are the same as set of Ayn Rand novels owned by Et is infinite).<br />
Tzuchien, can you expand on the point about possible worlds? This whole conversation is about stuff I never understood in the first place when I encountered the little bits of it that I&#8217;ve had contact with, and those encounters were several years ago. But it&#8217;s all really interesting and fun, so thanks for all the info. I&#8217;ll see what I can figure out about a preview button, but it won&#8217;t be anytime soon.<br />
take care,<br />
Nate
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		<title>by: et alia</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/12/20/is-a-set/#comment-208</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>An example of an empty set outside of a formal language...OK.

The set of DVDs I own that are movies starring Jim Carrey = &lt;i&gt;{}&lt;/i&gt;  

The set of books by Ayn Rand that I own = &lt;i&gt;{}&lt;/i&gt;

Note that this means the books by Ayn Rand that I own are the same as the movies with Jim Carrey that I own.

I don't know if the good old empty set can illuminate the philosophical nothing (Heidegger's &lt;i&gt;Das nicht,&lt;/i&gt; is that what he called it?) at all.  The empty set is...well, something.  It's a set.  What's a set?  A collection of things&amp;mdash;most of the time.  There are formalizations that go below this level, but I never learned them.

Tzuchien writes: &lt;i&gt;The set theoretic apporach to the question of being and nothing is a unique one in that it doesn’t really bother itself with being a language which conforms with our usual semantic and conceptual difficulties with “being and nothing” and such… rather it forces practioners to speak its language.&lt;/i&gt;  I'll buy that, at least the last sentence.  It's hard for me to reflect on what these things might &lt;i&gt;be,&lt;/i&gt; but I know what I was taught they could &lt;b&gt;do&lt;/b&gt;&amp;mdash;at least with respect to each other.

Finally, as regards a preview button, I don't WordPress, so I couldn't say.  I'm surprised it doesn't have it, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>An example of an empty set outside of a formal language&#8230;OK.</p>
	<p>The set of DVDs I own that are movies starring Jim Carrey = <i>{}</i>  </p>
	<p>The set of books by Ayn Rand that I own = <i>{}</i></p>
	<p>Note that this means the books by Ayn Rand that I own are the same as the movies with Jim Carrey that I own.</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t know if the good old empty set can illuminate the philosophical nothing (Heidegger&#8217;s <i>Das nicht,</i> is that what he called it?) at all.  The empty set is&#8230;well, something.  It&#8217;s a set.  What&#8217;s a set?  A collection of things&mdash;most of the time.  There are formalizations that go below this level, but I never learned them.</p>
	<p>Tzuchien writes: <i>The set theoretic apporach to the question of being and nothing is a unique one in that it doesn’t really bother itself with being a language which conforms with our usual semantic and conceptual difficulties with “being and nothing” and such… rather it forces practioners to speak its language.</i>  I&#8217;ll buy that, at least the last sentence.  It&#8217;s hard for me to reflect on what these things might <i>be,</i> but I know what I was taught they could <b>do</b>&mdash;at least with respect to each other.</p>
	<p>Finally, as regards a preview button, I don&#8217;t WordPress, so I couldn&#8217;t say.  I&#8217;m surprised it doesn&#8217;t have it, though.
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		<title>by: tzuchien</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/12/20/is-a-set/#comment-207</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>a great intro book on set theory is Mary Tile's &quot;Philosophy of set theory&quot;... you like to read your philosophy in historical context, G. Frege's &quot;The foundation of Arithmetic&quot; is absolutely one of the clearest books written on the potential usages of set theory and number theory. The problem is... of course Frege was wrong and abandoned the project himself. Paul Benacerraf has an great &quot;sum up&quot; essay called &quot;On what numbers could not be&quot;... rejecting the set-theory approach to number ontology. 

I think Badiou's interests span this and more, focusing at times on the axioms of set theory itself... esp. on the two of them: the axiom of choice and the continuum hypothesis. Therein lie the formalization of &quot;being&quot; and &quot;event&quot; between the &quot;being&quot; of mathematics and the &quot;event&quot; of construction. 
The set theoretic apporach to the question of being and nothing is a unique one in that it doesn't really bother itself with being a language which conforms with our usual semantic and conceptual difficulties with &quot;being and nothing&quot; and such... rather it forces practioners to speak its language. There are real problems when the null set is excluded as a set. Things either get really complicated or ... well... inconsistent. Frege famously used the null set to set the parameters on what the number &quot;1&quot; means...
The beautiful thing about set theory is that the &quot;sets&quot; aren't really objects at all, they define an indefinite parameters of possible objects. So, all the things that could ever become associated with the arrangement of &quot;1&quot; or &quot;73&quot; or &quot;331&quot;: trees, giraffes, icecream cones, etc. So it rather transforms/rejects &quot;predicate&quot; oriented forms of thinking about so-called &quot;properties.&quot; You might consider the ontology of &quot;possible worlds&quot; as a radical version of this rejection. Thus, in a way, Badiou opens a place to talk about things without &quot;predicates&quot; but rather &quot;names,&quot; with an organization of singularities rather than an organ of interrelated predicate relations. &quot;Formalization&quot; is not a language at all, mathematics, in the tradition of set-theory seeks to get away from the hegemony of discursive units and discouse in general.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>a great intro book on set theory is Mary Tile&#8217;s &#8220;Philosophy of set theory&#8221;&#8230; you like to read your philosophy in historical context, G. Frege&#8217;s &#8220;The foundation of Arithmetic&#8221; is absolutely one of the clearest books written on the potential usages of set theory and number theory. The problem is&#8230; of course Frege was wrong and abandoned the project himself. Paul Benacerraf has an great &#8220;sum up&#8221; essay called &#8220;On what numbers could not be&#8221;&#8230; rejecting the set-theory approach to number ontology. </p>
	<p>I think Badiou&#8217;s interests span this and more, focusing at times on the axioms of set theory itself&#8230; esp. on the two of them: the axiom of choice and the continuum hypothesis. Therein lie the formalization of &#8220;being&#8221; and &#8220;event&#8221; between the &#8220;being&#8221; of mathematics and the &#8220;event&#8221; of construction.<br />
The set theoretic apporach to the question of being and nothing is a unique one in that it doesn&#8217;t really bother itself with being a language which conforms with our usual semantic and conceptual difficulties with &#8220;being and nothing&#8221; and such&#8230; rather it forces practioners to speak its language. There are real problems when the null set is excluded as a set. Things either get really complicated or &#8230; well&#8230; inconsistent. Frege famously used the null set to set the parameters on what the number &#8220;1&#8243; means&#8230;<br />
The beautiful thing about set theory is that the &#8220;sets&#8221; aren&#8217;t really objects at all, they define an indefinite parameters of possible objects. So, all the things that could ever become associated with the arrangement of &#8220;1&#8243; or &#8220;73&#8243; or &#8220;331&#8243;: trees, giraffes, icecream cones, etc. So it rather transforms/rejects &#8220;predicate&#8221; oriented forms of thinking about so-called &#8220;properties.&#8221; You might consider the ontology of &#8220;possible worlds&#8221; as a radical version of this rejection. Thus, in a way, Badiou opens a place to talk about things without &#8220;predicates&#8221; but rather &#8220;names,&#8221; with an organization of singularities rather than an organ of interrelated predicate relations. &#8220;Formalization&#8221; is not a language at all, mathematics, in the tradition of set-theory seeks to get away from the hegemony of discursive units and discouse in general.
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/12/20/is-a-set/#comment-203</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>heya Et, 
Thanks for this. I'm not sure I get all of it, but it's interesting. Can you recommend a decent primer for nonspecialists on this stuff? I haven't had formal logic or math in long time. While some of this stuff strikes me as obtuse, there's something about it that's satisfying as well, and I would like to know this stuff better because some people use it to make points, and I'm always one to collect more means by which to defend my views.

My basic question with all this re: Badiou, particularly the null set and attendant categories (void, nothing), is what this stuff means/is used for outside set theory/math/formal languages. In some sense, I'm not sure I follow what an empty set could mean outside a formal language. As I remember this is one way to describe one of Schelling's disagreements w/ Hegel, about being and nothing. As I remember it from a course I had in 1999, the argument was presented, basically, as a question of whether being and nothing are predicates like all others or special predicates (the conditions of predication). I think this turned into a question on what one means by nothing, what a thought of nothing might actually be - to my mind, it can't be, by definition: to say &quot;nothing is...&quot;, by use of the word 'is' doesn't get outside of being and into nothing. The closest there could be would something like &quot;an object which is black and white in all the same places at exactly the same time&quot;, a sort of null set in the sense of one just can't think it and sort of stops thinking (rather like what I'm told koans are/were supposed to do in zen). 

A preview button is a great idea. I'm not very tech savvy. Do you have any idea how I could put one in, or is there a resource you could direct me to to find out? I already pester my computer-knowing friends too much as it is.

happy holidays,
Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>heya Et,<br />
Thanks for this. I&#8217;m not sure I get all of it, but it&#8217;s interesting. Can you recommend a decent primer for nonspecialists on this stuff? I haven&#8217;t had formal logic or math in long time. While some of this stuff strikes me as obtuse, there&#8217;s something about it that&#8217;s satisfying as well, and I would like to know this stuff better because some people use it to make points, and I&#8217;m always one to collect more means by which to defend my views.</p>
	<p>My basic question with all this re: Badiou, particularly the null set and attendant categories (void, nothing), is what this stuff means/is used for outside set theory/math/formal languages. In some sense, I&#8217;m not sure I follow what an empty set could mean outside a formal language. As I remember this is one way to describe one of Schelling&#8217;s disagreements w/ Hegel, about being and nothing. As I remember it from a course I had in 1999, the argument was presented, basically, as a question of whether being and nothing are predicates like all others or special predicates (the conditions of predication). I think this turned into a question on what one means by nothing, what a thought of nothing might actually be - to my mind, it can&#8217;t be, by definition: to say &#8220;nothing is&#8230;&#8221;, by use of the word &#8216;is&#8217; doesn&#8217;t get outside of being and into nothing. The closest there could be would something like &#8220;an object which is black and white in all the same places at exactly the same time&#8221;, a sort of null set in the sense of one just can&#8217;t think it and sort of stops thinking (rather like what I&#8217;m told koans are/were supposed to do in zen). </p>
	<p>A preview button is a great idea. I&#8217;m not very tech savvy. Do you have any idea how I could put one in, or is there a resource you could direct me to to find out? I already pester my computer-knowing friends too much as it is.</p>
	<p>happy holidays,<br />
Nate
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		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/12/20/is-a-set/#comment-202</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Woof.  I made a nice mess of that.  Let's try again:

&lt;i&gt;A = {1, 2, 3}
B = {3, 4, 5}
C = {4, 5, 6}

A &amp;cup; B = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}
A &amp;cap; B = {3}
A &amp;cup; C = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}
A &amp;cap; C = {}&lt;/i&gt;

I hope that looks better (is there a way to put a preview button here?)  Anyway, the null set is not some claim about the world, but a possible collection&amp;mdash;specifically, the one with nothing in it.  And yes, it is different from all sets with elements, but that's nothing to get worked up over.

The null set is the basis of the formal construction of the natural numbers &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;N&lt;/b&gt; = {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ...}&lt;/i&gt;  If numbers aren't primitive objects how do you build them from sets?  Let's build a set of certain oddball sets.  We do this by saying that the null set is in the set and that all the other members can be generated by repeated applications of the formula (I know that &quot;repeated applications of the formula&quot; is vauge and unformalized, but trust me, it can be expressed in terms of sets) &lt;i&gt;S(X) = X &amp;cup; {X}&lt;/i&gt;  So 
&lt;i&gt;S({}) = {{}}
S ({{}}) = {{{}}, {{{}}}}}
S ({{{}}, {{{}}}}} = {{{{}}, {{{}}}}}, {{{{}}, {{{}}}}}}}&lt;/i&gt;
I realize that looks like gibberish (and I may have unbalanced brackets there), but the Set &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;N&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; of &lt;i&gt;{}&lt;/i&gt; and other sets generated by repeated applications of the rule &lt;i&gt;S(X) = X &amp;cup; {X}&lt;/i&gt; has some interesting properties: in particular, certain set opeations and relations on it look exactly like the basic operations and relations of arithmatic.  For example, if &lt;i&gt;j&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;k&lt;/i&gt; are both in  &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;N&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; then either  &lt;i&gt;j &amp;isin; k,&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;j = k,&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;j &amp;ni; k&lt;/i&gt;  But it gets better: if &lt;i&gt;j &amp;isin; k&lt;/i&gt; then &lt;i&gt;k&lt;/i&gt; is the results of some applications of &lt;i&gt;S(j)&lt;/i&gt;.  That means for elements of &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;N&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;&amp;isin;&lt;/i&gt; behaves just like &lt;i&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;/i&gt;  for the natural numbers as we know and love them....

Suddenly, I think I may be causing more harm than good.  Email me if this is of any interest.  Otherwise, apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Woof.  I made a nice mess of that.  Let&#8217;s try again:</p>
	<p><i>A = {1, 2, 3}<br />
B = {3, 4, 5}<br />
C = {4, 5, 6}</p>
	<p>A &cup; B = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}<br />
A &cap; B = {3}<br />
A &cup; C = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}<br />
A &cap; C = {}</i></p>
	<p>I hope that looks better (is there a way to put a preview button here?)  Anyway, the null set is not some claim about the world, but a possible collection&mdash;specifically, the one with nothing in it.  And yes, it is different from all sets with elements, but that&#8217;s nothing to get worked up over.</p>
	<p>The null set is the basis of the formal construction of the natural numbers <i><b>N</b> = {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, &#8230;}</i>  If numbers aren&#8217;t primitive objects how do you build them from sets?  Let&#8217;s build a set of certain oddball sets.  We do this by saying that the null set is in the set and that all the other members can be generated by repeated applications of the formula (I know that &#8220;repeated applications of the formula&#8221; is vauge and unformalized, but trust me, it can be expressed in terms of sets) <i>S(X) = X &cup; {X}</i>  So<br />
<i>S({}) = {{}}<br />
S ({{}}) = {{{}}, {{{}}}}}<br />
S ({{{}}, {{{}}}}} = {{{{}}, {{{}}}}}, {{{{}}, {{{}}}}}}}</i><br />
I realize that looks like gibberish (and I may have unbalanced brackets there), but the Set <b><i>N</i></b> of <i>{}</i> and other sets generated by repeated applications of the rule <i>S(X) = X &cup; {X}</i> has some interesting properties: in particular, certain set opeations and relations on it look exactly like the basic operations and relations of arithmatic.  For example, if <i>j</i> and <i>k</i> are both in  <b><i>N</i></b> then either  <i>j &isin; k,</i> <i>j = k,</i> or <i>j &ni; k</i>  But it gets better: if <i>j &isin; k</i> then <i>k</i> is the results of some applications of <i>S(j)</i>.  That means for elements of <b><i>N</i></b> <i>&isin;</i> behaves just like <i>&lt;</i>  for the natural numbers as we know and love them&#8230;.</p>
	<p>Suddenly, I think I may be causing more harm than good.  Email me if this is of any interest.  Otherwise, apologies.
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