Comments on: … is Long Sunday? http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/ A working notebook Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:41:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Nate http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-1400 Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:13:28 +0100 http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-1400 dig out the Schmitt and Agamben books, get Sorel and the Trauerspielbuch out of the library. Benjamin's terms: rechtsetzende Gewalt - lawmaking violence rechtserhaltende Gewalt - law-preserving violence From http://www.germanlawjournal.com/article.php?id=545 göttliche Gewalt - divine violence Piece on Hegel's philosophy of right to refresh my memory on Recht, of which my sense is that it means 'right' or 'law' in the sense of 'rights' or 'laws', and also in the sense of The Law or the normative juridical order. http://www.iep.utm.edu/h/hegelsoc.htm The State of Emergency - Lecture by Agamben on Schmitt and Benjamin http://www.generation-online.org/p/fpagambenschmitt.htm piece on the concept of state of exception from some weird security journal http://www.libertysecurity.org/article169.html article from german law journal that concludes that terror is pure means http://www.germanlawjournal.com/article.php?id=433 two part piece on Agamben's use of this Benjamin essay http://www.adamkotsko.com/weblog/2005/03/part-1-of-covering-agambens-use-of.html http://www.adamkotsko.com/weblog/2005/03/part-2-of-covering-agambens-use-of_08.html borderlands essay on Agamben and Benjamin http://www.borderlandsejournal.adelaide.edu.au/vol3no1_2004/deranty_agambnschall.htm google Tim Fisken's paper "Badiou on the politics of endless thought" from Critical Sense. dig out the Schmitt and Agamben books, get Sorel and the Trauerspielbuch out of the library.

Benjamin’s terms:
rechtsetzende Gewalt - lawmaking violence
rechtserhaltende Gewalt - law-preserving violence
From http://www.germanlawjournal.com/article.php?id=545
göttliche Gewalt - divine violence

Piece on Hegel’s philosophy of right to refresh my memory on Recht, of which
my sense is that it means ‘right’ or ‘law’ in the sense of ‘rights’ or ‘laws’, and also in the sense of The Law or the normative juridical order.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/h/hegelsoc.htm

The State of Emergency - Lecture by Agamben on Schmitt and Benjamin
http://www.generation-online.org/p/fpagambenschmitt.htm

piece on the concept of state of exception from some weird security journal
http://www.libertysecurity.org/article169.html

article from german law journal that concludes that terror is pure means
http://www.germanlawjournal.com/article.php?id=433

two part piece on Agamben’s use of this Benjamin essay
http://www.adamkotsko.com/weblog/2005/03/part-1-of-covering-agambens-use-of.html
http://www.adamkotsko.com/weblog/2005/03/part-2-of-covering-agambens-use-of_08.html

borderlands essay on Agamben and Benjamin
http://www.borderlandsejournal.adelaide.edu.au/vol3no1_2004/deranty_agambnschall.htm

google Tim Fisken’s paper “Badiou on the politics of endless thought” from Critical Sense.

]]> by: Nate http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-129 Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:35:57 +0000 http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-129 hi Pedro, I think it depends on one's interests. I like Nietzsche's bits on truth as metaphor as a fairly concise version of a certain anti-foundationalism. That said, he presents it in a way that might be accused of relying on a type of nonmetaphorical truth which his own account places out of bounds. I don't get what your gripe with marxists is, though I'm not sure I get what you mean by the term. As for Long Sunday, you don't get much sympathy on the vinegar from me, so let's drop that, okay? If you're into analytic stuff and are anti-Nietzsche, you might be interested in the work of Andrew Bowie. Bowie told me once (and he got it from something by Manfred Frank in German that I haven't read) that Nietzsche plagiarized from Schelling fairly nakedly. Bowie's got a fairly encyclopedic knowledge of Marxism, contemporary continental, contemporary analytic, and 18th and 19th century German philosophy. And he's quite good at builing bridges between these different camps, showing how one debate can be translated into another idiom and offer insights in that idiom. His book on Schelling is great for this. I don't know Russell beyond a bit of the stuff on language, which is kind of outmoded now, and I think I read something by him once that I liked about laziness. take care, Nate hi Pedro,
I think it depends on one’s interests. I like Nietzsche’s bits on truth as metaphor as a fairly concise version of a certain anti-foundationalism. That said, he presents it in a way that might be accused of relying on a type of nonmetaphorical truth which his own account places out of bounds. I don’t get what your gripe with marxists is, though I’m not sure I get what you mean by the term. As for Long Sunday, you don’t get much sympathy on the vinegar from me, so let’s drop that, okay? If you’re into analytic stuff and are anti-Nietzsche, you might be interested in the work of Andrew Bowie. Bowie told me once (and he got it from something by Manfred Frank in German that I haven’t read) that Nietzsche plagiarized from Schelling fairly nakedly. Bowie’s got a fairly encyclopedic knowledge of Marxism, contemporary continental, contemporary analytic, and 18th and 19th century German philosophy. And he’s quite good at builing bridges between these different camps, showing how one debate can be translated into another idiom and offer insights in that idiom. His book on Schelling is great for this. I don’t know Russell beyond a bit of the stuff on language, which is kind of outmoded now, and I think I read something by him once that I liked about laziness.
take care,
Nate

]]> by: Nate http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-126 Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:40:13 +0000 http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-126 hey Pedro, I don't know enough about Nietzsche to comment. The Truth and Lie essay is pretty good, parallels what I like within what I've read of more recent analytic philosophy. To be honest I don't know what you mean re: Stalin et al. I'm not keen on the bolsheviks generally, preferring more infantile communists, but as I made clear here, I find the discussion at Long Sunday interesting. If you don't, don't read it. If you've got a substantive argument to make, go ahead, though this might not be the best place to make it depending on what it is. take care, Nate hey Pedro,
I don’t know enough about Nietzsche to comment. The Truth and Lie essay is pretty good, parallels what I like within what I’ve read of more recent analytic philosophy. To be honest I don’t know what you mean re: Stalin et al. I’m not keen on the bolsheviks generally, preferring more infantile communists, but as I made clear here, I find the discussion at Long Sunday interesting. If you don’t, don’t read it. If you’ve got a substantive argument to make, go ahead, though this might not be the best place to make it depending on what it is.
take care,
Nate

]]> by: Matt http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-121 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:46:14 +0000 http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-121 ...and thanks for the kind plug, Nate. We've added ya to the blogroll. …and thanks for the kind plug, Nate. We’ve added ya to the blogroll.

]]> by: Nate http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-120 Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:34:25 +0000 http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-120 note to self - read this more fully and check out the book http://www.notbored.org/cohn.html note to self - read this more fully and check out the book
http://www.notbored.org/cohn.html

]]> by: Nate http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-115 Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:25:14 +0000 http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-115 hi Tzuchien, Mark, Tzuchien - yeah, it's an online thing. Mark, Morrissey is a true gem. I once had the tremendously dumb idea of trying to invent a character named Mozzathustra, who would speak exclusively in a pastiche of Nietsche and Morrissey/Smiths quotes. I'll still might someday. take care, Nate hi Tzuchien, Mark,
Tzuchien - yeah, it’s an online thing. Mark, Morrissey is a true gem. I once had the tremendously dumb idea of trying to invent a character named Mozzathustra, who would speak exclusively in a pastiche of Nietsche and Morrissey/Smiths quotes. I’ll still might someday.
take care,
Nate

]]> by: mark http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-114 Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:35:06 +0000 http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-114 Your story reminds me of Morrissey, England's greatest son, and apparent refuser of work, whose songs include the ode to unemployment "Every Day is Like Sunday", and who sings "I've never had a job because/I've never wanted one." Your story reminds me of Morrissey, England’s greatest son, and apparent refuser of work, whose songs include the ode to unemployment “Every Day is Like Sunday”, and who sings “I’ve never had a job because/I’ve never wanted one.”

]]> by: Tzuchien http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-113 Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:46:25 +0000 http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/is-long-sunday/#comment-113 how is this symposium to work exactly? on line? how is this symposium to work exactly? on line?

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