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	<title>Comments on: &#8230; time is it?</title>
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/10/17/time-is-it/#comment-36</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:35:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Agreed. I've read this book The Ignorant Schoolmaster twice now and have been trying to think about it in regard to the labor process of graduate level education, which I'm newly inserted into. Ranciere's comments on stultification are really interesting and useful for me, that one of the main things that schools produce is servility, fear of one's own ability to act, which in turn makes on less likely to act. I've definitely encountered this already in school. There are a whole set of conversational power plays that one can operate, to score points and to prevent others from scoring points, and which are at least indirectly connected with getting grades and funding (since it's impressive students that get money). These power plays help one to establish hierarchies, help one changes one's own (and others') relative position within the hierarchies, as well as having - at least for me - powerful emotional effects of instilling feelings of fear, self-doubt, inadequacy, etc. This in turn helps create situations where people act on others in ways that keeps the whole ball rolling. 

I've been using the Ignorant Schoolmaster as a form of psychic self-defense, to try and see through what happens in the classroom (and in the extensions of the classroom into other parts of life which students often effect, myself included), and to respond to it with anger instead of fear. (I think anger generally beats fear, at least if the quantities are right, in the game of psychological rock-paper-scissors.) 

This is all a long digression, but my sense is that the way of writing and speaking using names is a holdover from these aspects of the labor process in universities, and at least in some cases a continuing (re)production of the same processes. In regard to all this, I think I'd want to say that my undergraduate analytic philosophy courses tended to involve less of the big names power play and more of the ruling things out of bounds power play (sometimes rather viciously and with powerful rhetorical moves). I think the former allows one to do almost whatever one wants, including what I think are sometimes logical leaps, provided one has enough names on the scorecard (which means one has to do the labor of learning and doing effective name dropping), while the latter doesn't require the same name-dropping labors but limits the range of topics that are admissible. Anyway, thanks for the comments.
take care,
Nate
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Agreed. I&#8217;ve read this book The Ignorant Schoolmaster twice now and have been trying to think about it in regard to the labor process of graduate level education, which I&#8217;m newly inserted into. Ranciere&#8217;s comments on stultification are really interesting and useful for me, that one of the main things that schools produce is servility, fear of one&#8217;s own ability to act, which in turn makes on less likely to act. I&#8217;ve definitely encountered this already in school. There are a whole set of conversational power plays that one can operate, to score points and to prevent others from scoring points, and which are at least indirectly connected with getting grades and funding (since it&#8217;s impressive students that get money). These power plays help one to establish hierarchies, help one changes one&#8217;s own (and others&#8217;) relative position within the hierarchies, as well as having - at least for me - powerful emotional effects of instilling feelings of fear, self-doubt, inadequacy, etc. This in turn helps create situations where people act on others in ways that keeps the whole ball rolling. </p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve been using the Ignorant Schoolmaster as a form of psychic self-defense, to try and see through what happens in the classroom (and in the extensions of the classroom into other parts of life which students often effect, myself included), and to respond to it with anger instead of fear. (I think anger generally beats fear, at least if the quantities are right, in the game of psychological rock-paper-scissors.) </p>
	<p>This is all a long digression, but my sense is that the way of writing and speaking using names is a holdover from these aspects of the labor process in universities, and at least in some cases a continuing (re)production of the same processes. In regard to all this, I think I&#8217;d want to say that my undergraduate analytic philosophy courses tended to involve less of the big names power play and more of the ruling things out of bounds power play (sometimes rather viciously and with powerful rhetorical moves). I think the former allows one to do almost whatever one wants, including what I think are sometimes logical leaps, provided one has enough names on the scorecard (which means one has to do the labor of learning and doing effective name dropping), while the latter doesn&#8217;t require the same name-dropping labors but limits the range of topics that are admissible. Anyway, thanks for the comments.<br />
take care,<br />
Nate
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		<title>by: s0metim3s</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/10/17/time-is-it/#comment-35</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 05:03:39 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm not opposed to it.  Sometimes, it's useful.  Sometimes not.  My sense though is that it's a protocol of the academy (and more so in phds than perhaps anywhere else), and for that reason alone the question needs to be posed every time as to whether it's appropriate, what it does, what it doesn't allow, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m not opposed to it.  Sometimes, it&#8217;s useful.  Sometimes not.  My sense though is that it&#8217;s a protocol of the academy (and more so in phds than perhaps anywhere else), and for that reason alone the question needs to be posed every time as to whether it&#8217;s appropriate, what it does, what it doesn&#8217;t allow, etc.
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/10/17/time-is-it/#comment-33</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 03:59:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>hi Angela, 
I'll have another look at your review and see if that helps shake up some questions to pose. I certainly share with Read a penchant for, as you put it before, focusing on names rather than themes. It's a habit to be broken for sure. 
take care,
Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hi Angela,<br />
I&#8217;ll have another look at your review and see if that helps shake up some questions to pose. I certainly share with Read a penchant for, as you put it before, focusing on names rather than themes. It&#8217;s a habit to be broken for sure.<br />
take care,<br />
Nate
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		<title>by: s0metim3s</title>
		<link>http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/2005/10/17/time-is-it/#comment-29</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:16:31 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Ask him whether he thinks that organisation of a book around proper names is a condition of the book's production, or more generally the production of books.  But that's a question that might seem obscure outside the discussion &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.borderlandsejournal.adelaide.edu.au/vol3no2_2004/mitropoulos_microphysics.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ask him whether he thinks that organisation of a book around proper names is a condition of the book&#8217;s production, or more generally the production of books.  But that&#8217;s a question that might seem obscure outside the discussion <a href="http://www.borderlandsejournal.adelaide.edu.au/vol3no2_2004/mitropoulos_microphysics.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.
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